Comments on: Equality Minister Harriet Harman denies she'll fight to be Labour Leader http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:26:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: rantersparadise http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51652 rantersparadise Wed, 06 May 2009 23:00:57 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51652 @ sister I couldn't care less if you're black or pink. You are INSANE to not realise that people are NOT getting jobs because of their colour or orientation. @ vulpus Again same as above. Who cares if she is a politician?? What do you do?? Are you so uneducated that you've not been taught about secondary and primary research? Or quatitative and qualitative research?? Are you claiming that every black person and gay guy/girl who've been beaten to death cause someone said n*gger or f*g is just imagining it? Because their is NO racism or homophobia? If so, wtf is your strategy to redress the balance? Or do you think it is SO? Another thing you prick, I've just been to a talk with her and if you read the damn policy report, it's actually NOT giving pref to said groups BUT engaging debate for employers to think about the company culture and why it's so full of white, upper class and straight men. She's asking for transparency DOH. @ sister

I couldn't care less if you're black or pink. You are INSANE to not realise that people are NOT getting jobs because of their colour or orientation.

@ vulpus

Again same as above. Who cares if she is a politician?? What do you do?? Are you so uneducated that you've not been taught about secondary and primary research? Or quatitative and qualitative research??

Are you claiming that every black person and gay guy/girl who've been beaten to death cause someone said n*gger or f*g is just imagining it? Because their is NO racism or homophobia?

If so, wtf is your strategy to redress the balance? Or do you think it is SO?

Another thing you prick, I've just been to a talk with her and if you read the damn policy report, it's actually NOT giving pref to said groups BUT engaging debate for employers to think about the company culture and why it's so full of white, upper class and straight men.

She's asking for transparency DOH.

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]]> By: wossname http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51563 wossname Wed, 06 May 2009 15:32:29 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51563 yeah, whatever, vulpus, keep taking the tablets. yeah, whatever, vulpus, keep taking the tablets.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51453 Sister Mary Clarence Wed, 06 May 2009 01:56:42 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51453 "Employers would be allowed to give jobs to qualified minority candidates in preference to other candidates under a change in discrimination law being drawn up by the Equalities Minister, Harriet Harman. The 'positive action' tactic, already used in the United States, has been a legal minefield in the UK and Harman's plans are likely to upset MPs who believe that merit alone should determine who is hired." "However, she believes radical changes are needed to help talented black and female candidates break through barriers in business and public life. The positive discrimination plan would apply only in cases where two equally qualified candidates were after the same post, allowing the employer to tip the balance in favour of the minority candidate on grounds of race or gender." Speaking as the token black on here I'm with Vulpus - you could possibly dress it up a bit and use the term 'skin color-aroused discrimination', but at the end of the day it Harriet intends it to be legal to top the scale based on skin colour. Personally I'm much more in favour of ensuring that existing legislation is adhered to and letting it do its work in ensure a fairer society. If white people start losing out to black people in the jobs market, it isn't going to increase fairness, it's just going to increase resentment and bitterness. No one should lose out on a job (or anything else) because of the colour of their skin. "Employers would be allowed to give jobs to qualified minority candidates in preference to other candidates under a change in discrimination law being drawn up by the Equalities Minister, Harriet Harman. The 'positive action' tactic, already used in the United States, has been a legal minefield in the UK and Harman's plans are likely to upset MPs who believe that merit alone should determine who is hired."

"However, she believes radical changes are needed to help talented black and female candidates break through barriers in business and public life. The positive discrimination plan would apply only in cases where two equally qualified candidates were after the same post, allowing the employer to tip the balance in favour of the minority candidate on grounds of race or gender."

Speaking as the token black on here I'm with Vulpus – you could possibly dress it up a bit and use the term 'skin color-aroused discrimination', but at the end of the day it Harriet intends it to be legal to top the scale based on skin colour.

Personally I'm much more in favour of ensuring that existing legislation is adhered to and letting it do its work in ensure a fairer society. If white people start losing out to black people in the jobs market, it isn't going to increase fairness, it's just going to increase resentment and bitterness. No one should lose out on a job (or anything else) because of the colour of their skin.

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]]> By: valerio http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51361 valerio Tue, 05 May 2009 12:07:21 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51361 I have nothing against Harriet Harman but a politician's word is not really worth a lot. If it's a lie she'll just turn around and say that circumstances have changed... I have nothing against Harriet Harman but a politician's word is not really worth a lot. If it's a lie she'll just turn around and say that circumstances have changed…

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]]> By: vulpus_rex http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51352 vulpus_rex Tue, 05 May 2009 08:26:30 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51352 What charming language Wossname. You still haven't bothered to comment on Harriet Harman, which is after all the point of this thread. I'm starting think that you don't actually have any opinions and merely cruise through here in order sling insults and misrepresent past postings. What charming language Wossname.

You still haven't bothered to comment on Harriet Harman, which is after all the point of this thread.

I'm starting think that you don't actually have any opinions and merely cruise through here in order sling insults and misrepresent past postings.

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]]> By: wossname http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51303 wossname Mon, 04 May 2009 22:06:42 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51303 Ok, show me where I said it and in what context, give me the url for it. I'm search it's searchable on here. Show me. The only thing I can't get away from is that you are a twat of the first water. Ok, show me where I said it and in what context, give me the url for it. I'm search it's searchable on here. Show me.

The only thing I can't get away from is that you are a twat of the first water.

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]]> By: vulpus_rex http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51299 vulpus_rex Mon, 04 May 2009 19:57:46 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51299 You are correct Wossname, you aren't emarrased to be gay, your actual words were: "Sorry for being gay" Now, once you've got over that, answer this very relevant question: Is employing someone because of the colour of their skin racist or not? You can wiggle around and around with whatever evasve distraction technique you want, but you can't get away from it - Harriet Harman is racist. You are correct Wossname, you aren't emarrased to be gay, your actual words were:

"Sorry for being gay"

Now, once you've got over that, answer this very relevant question:

Is employing someone because of the colour of their skin racist or not?

You can wiggle around and around with whatever evasve distraction technique you want, but you can't get away from it – Harriet Harman is racist.

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]]> By: wossname http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51296 wossname Mon, 04 May 2009 19:38:38 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51296 No, I've never said that and I invite you to use the search button on this site to prove it. But, hey, nice try, trying to turn it around on me. Shame it won't work. As for calling folk on here racist. Well, that really is scraping the barrel. Why don't you answer Simon's question about Cameron? And don't dance around it by saying it isn't a thread about him. You know damn well examples of politicians of other hues will be used to rebuff your rather childish rant against the woman, simply because you have no answer to her being a Minister for Equality. A post that would never been seen in a tory administration. You know, thinking about it, I am ashamed to be Queer, when there are people like you amongst us. Now, just wait here, dear, an appropriate adult will be along shortly. No, I've never said that and I invite you to use the search button on this site to prove it. But, hey, nice try, trying to turn it around on me. Shame it won't work. As for calling folk on here racist. Well, that really is scraping the barrel. Why don't you answer Simon's question about Cameron? And don't dance around it by saying it isn't a thread about him. You know damn well examples of politicians of other hues will be used to rebuff your rather childish rant against the woman, simply because you have no answer to her being a Minister for Equality. A post that would never been seen in a tory administration.

You know, thinking about it, I am ashamed to be Queer, when there are people like you amongst us.

Now, just wait here, dear, an appropriate adult will be along shortly.

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]]> By: vulpus_rex http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51294 vulpus_rex Mon, 04 May 2009 19:11:06 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51294 Wossname - don't you frequently post the fact that you are embarrased and ashamed to be gay? If you hate yourself so much why do you spend time here - you don't really help when you clearly resent the fact that you are a gay. Wossname – don't you frequently post the fact that you are embarrased and ashamed to be gay?

If you hate yourself so much why do you spend time here – you don't really help when you clearly resent the fact that you are a gay.

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]]> By: vulpus_rex http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51291 vulpus_rex Mon, 04 May 2009 18:03:39 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51291 Simon - quick answer to your very good quick question. I will defend David Cameron when we get a thread about David Cameron. It is very telling that you cannot defend Harriet's racist legislation so seek to shift the focus of the discussion to someone else. A cheap, often effective psychological trick but not one that I will fall for. I think you need to be honest - either you support her racism or don't - which is it? Simon – quick answer to your very good quick question.

I will defend David Cameron when we get a thread about David Cameron.

It is very telling that you cannot defend Harriet's racist legislation so seek to shift the focus of the discussion to someone else.

A cheap, often effective psychological trick but not one that I will fall for.

I think you need to be honest – either you support her racism or don't – which is it?

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]]> By: vulpus_rex http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51289 vulpus_rex Mon, 04 May 2009 17:50:19 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51289 To employ someone on the basis of their skin colour is racist - enacting a law that makes that permissable is racist, ergo Harriet is a racist. The hypocrisy of this government is shameless. I realy do find it incredulous that there are some people in this forum who will defend racism as acceptable. To employ someone on the basis of their skin colour is racist – enacting a law that makes that permissable is racist, ergo Harriet is a racist.

The hypocrisy of this government is shameless.

I realy do find it incredulous that there are some people in this forum who will defend racism as acceptable.

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]]> By: martin http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51287 martin Mon, 04 May 2009 16:42:44 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51287 I hope she will be Primeminister one day - Britain has only had one, yes ONE, female Primeminister in history, so it is about time we have another one. And she would be a great candidate!!! :)) I hope she will be Primeminister one day – Britain has only had one, yes ONE, female Primeminister in history, so it is about time we have another one. And she would be a great candidate!!! :) )

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51278 Simon Murphy Mon, 04 May 2009 15:03:49 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51278 Vulpus_rex - quick question. If you think Harriet Harman is a racist then what on earth do you make of David Cameron? In 1989 he went on a fully paid for jolly to South Africa paid for by the apartheid regime and whose sole purpose was to persuade the UK government that the evil, horrific, racist Apartheid regime did not deserve sanctions. Do you support firing the apartheid supporter David Cameron? Because obviously if Harriet Harman is a racist then David Cameron is infinitely worse. Vulpus_rex – quick question. If you think Harriet Harman is a racist then what on earth do you make of David Cameron?

In 1989 he went on a fully paid for jolly to South Africa paid for by the apartheid regime and whose sole purpose was to persuade the UK government that the evil, horrific, racist Apartheid regime did not deserve sanctions.

Do you support firing the apartheid supporter David Cameron? Because obviously if Harriet Harman is a racist then David Cameron is infinitely worse.

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]]> By: wossname http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51274 wossname Mon, 04 May 2009 14:30:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51274 Don't worry, Simon, this is the same person who thinks Section 28 was grossly over rated in it's effect on Gay folk and is just ancient history and not to be bothered about. Anything else this person has to say on any subject has to be treated with the contempt it deserves. Don't worry, Simon, this is the same person who thinks Section 28 was grossly over rated in it's effect on Gay folk and is just ancient history and not to be bothered about. Anything else this person has to say on any subject has to be treated with the contempt it deserves.

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51262 Simon Murphy Mon, 04 May 2009 10:44:37 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51262 That's neither racist nor sexist. If there are 2 equally qualified candidates for a job then it is unavoidable that whoever is chosen is chosen because the interviewers personal preference. To label her racist for this law is inaccurate. That's neither racist nor sexist. If there are 2 equally qualified candidates for a job then it is unavoidable that whoever is chosen is chosen because the interviewers personal preference. To label her racist for this law is inaccurate.

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]]> By: vulpus_rex http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51259 vulpus_rex Mon, 04 May 2009 10:38:08 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51259 Her new legislation allows employers to discriminate on the grounds of gender and race. EG if there are two candidates of equal strength you may chose the one with the right skin colour. The same applies to gender. Racist and sexist. Thankfully this dreadful woman doesn't have a hope in hell of getting near any real power. Her new legislation allows employers to discriminate on the grounds of gender and race. EG if there are two candidates of equal strength you may chose the one with the right skin colour. The same applies to gender.

Racist and sexist. Thankfully this dreadful woman doesn't have a hope in hell of getting near any real power.

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51254 Simon Murphy Mon, 04 May 2009 09:00:55 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51254 How is she racist? Have I missed something? How is she racist? Have I missed something?

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]]> By: vulpus_rex http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51252 vulpus_rex Mon, 04 May 2009 08:43:56 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12276.html#comment-51252 It is a huge relief that this racist, sexist excuse for an MP does not want to be prime minister. At the moment her lunacy is contained by the fact that she is merely a cabinet minister. Imagine the damage she could do if she actually had any real power! I what sane world do racists lead the Labour party? It is a huge relief that this racist, sexist excuse for an MP does not want to be prime minister.

At the moment her lunacy is contained by the fact that she is merely a cabinet minister. Imagine the damage she could do if she actually had any real power!

I what sane world do racists lead the Labour party?

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